Some progress...

**R13** · July 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM

48 is mainly what I'm talking about, they did it a lot. One city/village I remember off of the top of my head is Megiddo, Israel, only remember it because its supposed to be where the world ends according to Christianity I think.

**1inStripes** · July 11th, 2009, 09:24 PM

Lets remember Israel was attacked after the 1st day they were given the land by multiple muslim nations and fought that war for 13 months if I am not mistaken. Most of the desturction was because of battles where the muslims were attacking them from. Its not like they just went in and wiped it out.

**R13** · July 13th, 2009, 07:57 PM

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - McCain backs Obama opposition to funding more F-22 jets - Blogs from CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/13...ral/index.html

**oakland_raiders** · July 16th, 2009, 10:51 AM

i have not kept up with politics since obama came into office but when is this "change coming" that he promised???? everything he suggests gets slammed

**Gotch** · July 16th, 2009, 11:36 AM

He seems to me to be a flip flopper.

**R13** · July 16th, 2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Crackersneckian

FactCheck.org: Did Obama accuse veterans of "selfishness" and whining? Would he have forced them to "pay for their war injuries"? Looks like real progress.

Dude, you do realize your link debunks that? He never said that and it was passed around in a chain-email, that's what your link even says.

What has he flip-flopped on? Taxes haven't been raised, Bushes ban on fed funding on stem cell research was lifted, working on healthcare reform at the moment(that's been fought vigorously)...almost 7 months into office and he's been working his ass off. Has a huge mess and somethings will take time, there's been plenty of prioritizing and that's going to frustrate some people - i.e. the gay/lesbian groups that say he's not doing what he said he was soon enough. But as for constantly flip-flopping? Haven't seen that, but have seen a man with a huge plate and trying to clean the mess he inherited up. No one believed or said he'd come in and be a miracle worker, no matter how much the right claims that we did, he's doing what he can even though he's not a year into his first term.

**CoeburnCane** · July 16th, 2009, 02:15 PM

Taxes haven't been raised

They will end up being raised tho--there's next to no way around that due to the economic state we're in currently. All depends on who/what taxes get raised on.

But as for constantly flip-flopping?

I don't think he said "constant". I think it was more appearance thusfar than anything...and that's mainly from the prioritizing of certain issues that has occured so far.

On any level of politics, you don't change everything all at once--it'd be utter chaos. You concentrate on an issue (or 2 or 3 if related), and try to get it changed/tweaked if needed. Anyone who mocks Obama by saying "where's all the change?" or even pro-Obama people who are upset that he hasn't gotten to their pet project yet and expected everything to change automatically...they need to sit down and watch the South Park episode "About Last Night" that lampoons both of those mindsets. Hopefully they'd realize how dumb either stance is.

**1inStripes** · July 16th, 2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

They will end up being raised tho--there's next to no way around that due to the economic state we're in currently. All depends on who/what taxes get raised on.

Exactly. Geitner said the other day in one interview I heard after being pushed on the issue, that yes taxes are going to have to be raised. He didn't want to say it but, was finally forced into admitting it.

**CoeburnCane** · July 16th, 2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

Exactly. Geitner said the other day in one interview I heard after being pushed on the issue, that yes taxes are going to have to be raised. He didn't want to say it but, was finally forced into admitting it.

Yeah--it sucks...but no matter how much we hate taxes and love tax cuts, it's an economic truth that in order to get out of a deficit that revenues must increase--and the government's sole source of revenue? Taxation.

**Gotch** · July 16th, 2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Burton13

What has he flip-flopped on?

1. NAFTA - candidate Obama called for a renegotiation of NAFTA with the threat of pulling out altogether as a "hammer".
President Obama says he has no plans to reopen negotiations on NAFTA

2. Taxing of health benefits are on the table says president Obama.
Candidate Obama hammered McCain over and over for his plans inclusion of this.

3. Embargo of Cuba

4. Decriminalization of marijuana

5. Took single payer health care off the table.